Parking in the High Street

[Mike Gilbert]

Dear Members, I was reminded again today by Richard Leslie that Cutters are not supposed to park in the High Street while rowing - even if you plan to drink in the Royal Oak afterwards

If we clog up the High Street with cars - particularly clearly identified as bearing the Cutters badge - we risk losing our 'grace and favour' boat park.

So please use the free car park next to the Ship Inn...

 

[Andy Mac]

Noted Mike and it is only a 1.5 minute walk from the Ship to the Mill.

[Matt O’Neill]

Dear Mike and members,

Somehow I’ve become a spokes person for this issue, and not one I’m proud of…but, to be fair, we're all just sick of hearing of it…so, please don’t shoot the messenger!!

Quite frankly, Richard Leslie doesn't own the High Street. When and if he does become patron of it, I'm sure he’ll turn it into a private road and put gates up at the entrance, should the local council allow and approve. Until then….sorry but it is still Langstone High Street, owned by the council and we all pay our road taxes as well as our subscription fee to be members of the Langstone Cutters.

Personally I can say I'm a proud member of the Langstone Cuters and therefore wear my badge with honour on my clothing wherever I go rowing, and also promote the club with honour in my car window (mine is the brand new white BMW with sticker in the passenger side window, by the way, registration HV65OPA)  

To be very fair, I’m fairly sure I’ve seen Marilyn, Sadie, Marcus and Christine, Steve Woods’ and  both yours and Jenny’s cars parked in the high street too Mike, do you not show your stickers for the Langstone Cutters with pride and then park in the High Street as well?!
Why should parking regulations be different for all of you, just because you all live in the area, when it is not actually a private road?!

I was in The Royal Oak, when this message came through and you can imagine the management’s reaction to this notion that we can’t park in the high street close to them, but free to park in that of the Ship’s car park - considering how much money we put behind their bar at The Royal Oak…not happy at all, I can tell you!!

If Richard is a difficult person to deal with, then why are we caving on our public rights instead of standing up to him?!
If he takes away the boat park from us now because we park in the Langstone High Street, it’s no different to if he sells up and the new owner doesn't want us there and takes it away from us anyway.

Sorry, but I for one, will park where is legal and where I choose…and be proud to display the Langstone Cutters sticker in my car.  I am very proud, and very honoured to be a Langstone Cutter!

This message of parking was laughed and talked about behind closed doors, first time it was posted…surely now, we should stand united and say we are tax payers who will park where we wish?!

Sorry, but I am a proud member of the Langstone Cutters, and I’ll park where is legal

Matt O’Neill  

[Mike Gilbert]

Well don't shoot this messenger either! Richard gets frustrated when he cannot park his car on the High Street and this is compounded when he sees the spaces filled by the people using his land he thought he had an agreement to self-limit. 

The fact is that we have a working understanding with Richard and Sally that, while we have free use of the boat park, we will be sensitive about the number of cars we park in the High Street - often for hours on end. It makes sense and the benefits are entirely ours... 

He knows he does not own and High Street and this inflammatory language is not helpful.

If you wish to ignore this agreement you can, there is no law - just good sense and humour. But It would be sad to irritate our neighbours and lose our boat park for such a 'principle; when good manners and discretion can avoid it. 

I have been a 'proud' member of the Cutters since it started and have a lot invested in it... I see no reason to risk damaging the Club over an issue like this. My view is that we do not over-react and force a dispute.

Of course at some time in the future, Richard and Sally will sell up and we may be asked to move out - hopefully we will have some time to find an alternative location. 

In the meantime I suggest we all understand what has been said; those who feel able to respect our agreement do so; those who want to stand on a principle may do so; you can legally park where you like - and let us hope it does not lead to, avoidable, problems for the whole membership. 

Meanwhile, wherever we park, we can drink in the Royal Oak - and admire our trophies....!

Happy days...

On 7 Dec 2016 16:53, "Matt [via Langstone Cutters RC]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Mike and members,

Somehow I’ve become a spokes person for this issue, and not one I’m proud of…but, to be fair, we're all just sick of hearing of it…so, please don’t shoot the messenger!!

Quite frankly, Richard Leslie doesn't own the High Street. When and if he does become patron of it, I'm sure he’ll turn it into a private road and put gates up at the entrance, should the local council allow and approve. Until then….sorry but it is still Langstone High Street, owned by the council and we all pay our road taxes as well as our subscription fee to be members of the Langstone Cutters.

Personally I can say I'm a proud member of the Langstone Cuters and therefore wear my badge with honour on my clothing wherever I go rowing, and also promote the club with honour in my car window (mine is the brand new white BMW with sticker in the passenger side window, by the way, registration HV65OPA)  

To be very fair, I’m fairly sure I’ve seen Marilyn, Sadie, Marcus and Christine, Steve Woods’ and  both yours and Jenny’s cars parked in the high street too Mike, do you not show your stickers for the Langstone Cutters with pride and then park in the High Street as well?!
Why should parking regulations be different for all of you, just because you all live in the area, when it is not actually a private road?!

I was in The Royal Oak, when this message came through and you can imagine the management’s reaction to this notion that we can’t park in the high street close to them, but free to park in that of the Ship’s car park - considering how much money we put behind their bar at The Royal Oak…not happy at all, I can tell you!!

If Richard is a difficult person to deal with, then why are we caving on our public rights instead of standing up to him?!
If he takes away the boat park from us now because we park in the Langstone High Street, it’s no different to if he sells up and the new owner doesn't want us there and takes it away from us anyway.

Sorry, but I for one, will park where is legal and where I choose…and be proud to display the Langstone Cutters sticker in my car.  I am very proud, and very honoured to be a Langstone Cutter!

This message of parking was laughed and talked about behind closed doors, first time it was posted…surely now, we should stand united and say we are tax payers who will park where we wish?!

Sorry, but I am a proud member of the Langstone Cutters, and I’ll park where is legal

Matt O’Neill  

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[ron and cheryl]

Mike, as much as we regret this situation, Cheryl and I fully agree with Matt. Last Wednesday we experienced Richard's tongue as we parked in a quite empty Langstone High Street for our row across Langstone Harbour. This week, again, we parked, not in the High Street, but in Tower Gardens. Richard accused us of filling the High Street. Not so, when we left to go to Dell Quay, there where many spaces. As Matt says, we pay our taxes, our cars are legal and we have rights. Why does Richard wish to destroy the Langstone Cutters, all of us, for a petty parking thing. When all said and done, if we don't park there, someone else will, indeed they already do (ramblers, Royal Oak patrons, dog walkers, photographers, bird watchers, families with children appreciating the wild fowl, church visitors.) Richard has no control over them.
If we park at The Ship, we might as well drink at The Ship. Not the same. Wonder what the Royal Oak would think of that? We understand some people of Langstone feeling upset about the usage of the High Street, but that is not our fault. It's where it is. We live by a school and our Cul de Sac is filled by parkers dropping children off and picking children up, but that's how it goes. It's live and let live. It is never easy to park at The Ship. We have tried many times for a meal and a drink and it has always been almost impossible to park, it's a matter of luck, like The High Street.

[Andrew B]

2 Quick points

a/ The Ship car park is in fact an HBC Car park, which happens to be adjacent to a Pub. The Ship would like people to think its their car park but it isn't.

b/ Comments on the forum can be read by anyone, member or not. You only have to register and login if you want to post. Everything written so far can be read by anyone, and I'm sure all the locals know of the forum's existence.

Best wishes

[Chris Partridge]

Richard and Sally have been very generous to us.
I personally will not be parking in the village in future.

[Andrew B]

Ditto with you Chris and many others, I can't see the point in rocking a comparatively stable boat if the end result might be us looking for new premises, when its fairly obvious that there is nothing comparable around.
A move elsewhere would probably result in us having to pay commercial rates, and the annual membership fees would have to triple ( as witnessed by the Gig Club )  - resulting in a potential loss of members affecting the long term viability of the club.

I always park in 'the ship' - certainly since the original request - and will continue to do so, after all any new premises are unlikely to be as close to the pub everyone seems so keen on, so a 2 minute walk seems by far the lesser of the evils.

Best wishes, Andrew

[Jonathan R]

As a new member this Summer I was advised on joining of the agreement/understanding to not park in the High Street.

I have therefore not parked there.

To me its a pretty simple request, perfectly reasonable and possibly to cooperate with.

I park in the HBC car park at the Ship or in the Layby if I see a space when passing. There is also vast spare parking capacity at Warblington Church.

In the high summer I have also parked there and walked across the field. The verges in the vicinity of Warblington Church are all HBC land. Parking is Free, capacity virtually limitless and unrestricted in time. The short walk is pleasant and allows a good look at the weather in the harbour and the wonderful conservation area. I arrived in good humour and at peace with the world.

[Sadie]

It is very clearly stated in the rules of the club not to park in the high street.

So the club is required to remind you of this fact

Sadie

[Dee]

Luckily for me husband usual drops me off but on the rare occasions I have parked in the high street but as a newish member I was never told this was  not allowed in the club rules , maybe this should be pointed out when joining .
Dee

[Andy Mac]

I am of the opinion that we should all be cooperating with what is a perfectly reasonable request.

We are a club / team of approxiimately 100 members.

Last Saturday saw us number 21 members excursion rowing who would have likely parked 15 cars or more in total.

The boat park is a 30 second walk from the high street and a 90 second walk from the Ship.

Given the inconvenience that parking up to ten cars in the high street can have upon the residents, i am somewhat at a loss to understand why an additional walk of some sixty seconds has become such an issue.

Langstone clubs had twelve boats in the GRR which was a terrific acheivement and one that we should all be very proud of.

We are community clubs and community rowers who surely want to embrace and not alienate the locals.

Accordingly, I don't understand why we are debating what to me is a perfectly reasonable request from the boat park landowner, who has difficulty parking his car in the high street.

He is asking us not to park there, so as to make it easier for him and local residents to come and go and he is asking us to park along the road and to take 90 seconds to wander along the side of the harbour taking in the vistas on our way to the boat park which he provides free of charge.

For the good of team LCRC i think it is essential that we are all team players and that we all comply with a very simple and reasonable request.
Best
Andy

[Jackie]

Perfectly reasonable request and easy to comply with if you ask me. I always try to park in the layby or The Ship and understand the reasoning behind why we should avoid the High Street.  Agree with Andy that it is a lovely little walk around from The Ship so why not!
We are moving to Hayling next week and so I hope I shall be cycling from now on. If you see me driving please remind me of that .... and tell me to get on my bike.
Jackie x

[ron and cheryl]

Hi Mike and All. After seeing all other comments Cheryl and I see the need to park at The Ship rather than Langstone Village if it means we can stay in the boat park. Lets put this all behind us, have a good Christmas and row on together.

All the best, Ron and Cheryl

[shahnaz]

just seen the chain of the letters about car parking
I think we need to be thankful and respectful , if we can park somewhere else we should do and show our respect towards others has helped us for so long.
If we need in some stage to move out of the place , then we need to move but we enjoyed the possibility of not taking the boats somewhere else and it was easy and simple.
Please Matt let us keep together, we know they can not tell us where to park but it is nice to be kind and friendly .
is this too touchy feely ???:)

[Sadie]

Well said Sadie

[Andy Mac]

Being " thankful and respectful " certainly works for me Shahnaz.

Soooooooo, not too touchy feely.

Best

Andy

[Mike Gilbert]

Thank you all for your support.

As a last word, those not in the village will not know, (why should you), that there are some individuals - one quite vociferous in particular, who do not like the Cutters and the activity that the rowing club brings to the High Street. Richard gets some 'flak' therefore as he gives us the land. So it helps him, and helps us, to keep it upbeat, positive and use the free Car Park next to the Ship. 

End of Conversation please....! 

On 12 December 2016 at 17:59, Andy Mac [via Langstone Cutters RC] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Being " thankful and respectful " certainly works for me Shahnaz.

Soooooooo, not too touchy feely.

Best

Andy

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